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  The Real Iwo Jima
Posted by: Walt's Daughter - 11-27-2006, 10:44 PM - Forum: OTHER WWII UNIT STORIES AND INFO - Replies (1)


Mark Patinkin: The real Iwo Jima

 

11:51 AM EDT on Tuesday, October 24, 2006

 

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Above, The Providence Journal / Bill Murphy

 

Joseph Narcisi displays the Purple Heart he was awarded for being wounded on Iwo Jima as an 18-year-old Marine. The battle is the subject of a film that explores the iconic image of U.S. Marines raising the American flag atop Mount Suribachi, Iwo Jima , on Feb. 23, 1945.

 

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ap / JOE ROSENTHAL

 

 

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A Japanese flag, a sword and a Purple Heart certificate are some of Joseph Narcisis souvenirs from the Battle of Iwo Jima. The sword was taken off the body of a dead Japanese officer.

 

The Providence Journal / Bill Murphy

 

CRANSTON -- He showed me a photo taken of him 61 years ago after the battle of Iwo Jima . If you look closely, you can see the hole in the front of his helmet, and the jagged exit in the back. Joe Narcisi said the bullet took off a four-inch square piece of his scalp. It creased his skull. By then, all the medics in his unit were dead, and he was unable to go behind the lines for help. There were no lines, really. The Japanese were hiding all around them. The wound soon got infected, but Narcisi had to fight on for 10 days more. That, he said, was Iwo Jima .

 

Some say that the movie Flags of Our Fathers is to Iwo Jima as Saving Private Ryan was to D-Day. Its a graphic reminder of World War IIs turning point in the Pacific. I had not realized the two battles had similarities. In both, on the first day, 2,500 Americans were killed.

 

About a dozen living Rhode Islanders are veterans of that fight. I picked one, Joe Narcisi, and asked if he would tell me what it was like.

 

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I met him at his Cranston home. He is now 80. At the time, early 1945, he was 18.

 

Narcisi was one of 110,000 Marines who set sail from Hawaii aboard 880 ships, which steamed for over a month to a small volcanic island 2 miles wide by 5 miles long and dotted with mountain peaks. Most of the Marines had never heard of Iwo Jima . But it had three critical airfields the Allies needed to launch attacks on the Japanese mainland. A foothold there was deemed as important as the foothold at Normandy .

 

Feb. 19th was D-day. At 8:30 a.m., Narcisi climbed down webbing from his big transport ship into a landing craft. He hunched down with 30 other Marines as dozens of landing craft powered toward the beach on the first of many deliveries. Japanese shells began to come down around them. Some were direct hits. Each Marine was carrying over 100 pounds of equipment and many who were blown into the water sank instantly.

 

Narcisi was carrying a Browning automatic rifle, 25 hand grenades and 200 rounds of ammunition. As he ran onto the black ash beach, his boots sank up to the ankles. It happened to everyone. It was like running through quicksand. Jeeps were stuck up to their axles within a few minutes of coming ashore.

 

Mostly, Narcisi remembers the bodies. Already, there were hundreds of dead. Marines stumbled over them as they tried to move forward. A few of the bodies were intact, but most were in pieces, having been blown apart by shells or land mines. Narcisi still vividly remembers seeing severed heads. Everyone knew they might trigger a mine at any moment, but had no choice but to push forward.

 

Every step, Narcisi says, your heart was in your throat.

 

Unlike Normandy , there was no visible line of enemy defenses, just hidden artillery and 21,000 Japanese soldiers in holes and tunnels they had been digging for months in the jagged landscape. Rifles did little to root them out. The Americans, says Narcisi, began to rely more on flamethrowers and hand grenades.

 

Midafternoon of the first day, the enemy stepped up its barrage. It was as if they were waiting for enough Americans to be ashore for maximum impact. The island, recalls Narcisi, literally shook.

 

Soon, his ear grew tuned to the sound of incoming shells. Those that came close were like a screech. If one landed near a group of Marines, a dozen more shells followed. It made the Americans realize that unseen spotters were watching them all the time.

 

Since it was open terrain, the best protection was in holes gouged by explosions. Whenever Narcisi heard incoming fire, hed flatten into one. If even a small part of you was above surface level, he says, the shrapnel would rip into you.

 

Once, he heard an unusual shrapnel sound and hit the ground. A radio man nearby was unaware of it and remained standing. Suddenly, a long piece of metal spun by like a propeller blade and sliced the radio man in half at the torso. Narcisi still remembers seeing the mans lower body crumple to the ground, and blood coming out of arteries.

 

The Marines fought their way up Mount Suribachi and, on the fourth day, raised the flag in the moment captured in the famous photograph. Narcisi wasnt far away and caught a brief glimpse. But most Marines had to be so constantly on guard that the flag seemed an incidental moment.

 

Today, he finds that many Americans think the flag raising marked the end of the battle. Even the new film, Narcisi says, implied as much. He saw the movie with fellow veterans, and liked it, but feels it didnt capture the whole Iwo Jima battle.

 

After the flag raising, he told me, the fight was only beginning.

 

The Americans knew the enemy was there to resist to the death, and history records that just about all 21,000 Japanese defenders did. It would not be over until the whole island was captured a yard at a time. That would take another month.

 

Narcisi and his unit, or what was left of it, pushed on.

 

Every day, he says, we learned there was a new way to die.

 

At one point, his unit came under heavy shelling for 20 minutes.

 

We thought this was it, he says. I would have bet everything I had I was never going to get out of that place alive. Then the barrage fell silent. Hed made it. As he stood, he saw three Marines lying face down in a shell hole. There wasnt a mark on them; they just seemed to want to stay dug in.

 

You guys, lets go, Narcisi said. Then he looked closer. They were dead. Shrapnel had missed them, but a shell had exploded so close the blast wave destroyed their insides.

 

Staying supplied was a constant problem. The priority was ammunition, so they were often short on food. Marines like Narcisi had to take water from fallen comrades.

 

In a way, he says today, they kept us alive.

 

One day, the men in Narcisis unit were moving, as they usually did, 20 feet apart to keep from being targeted as a group. Suddenly he heard a noise. He began to turn, having learned to react before he got a full look. His peripheral vision told him something wasnt right and he began firing. The bullets hit a Japanese soldier in the face. The attacker was only feet away from Narcisi and ready to stab him in the back with a bayonet. The enemy, he explains, often used bayonets instead of bullets so they could then sneak up on the rest of a squad.

 

It was routine to pass by camouflaged holes and be attacked from behind. It was also routine for dead Japanese to suddenly sit up and start shooting. It happened a few times, says Narcisi. It didnt happen anymore. They bayoneted every enemy body to make sure, avoiding the use of bullets so as not to draw the attention of snipers.

 

The days were broiling hot and there was little escape from the sun. Sometimes, Marines like Narcisi spent hours baking in open shell holes while the enemy had them pinned down.

 

Nights were worse. They would lie in foxholes that radiated heat from underground volcanic activity, staying awake so they could hear the sound of the enemy creeping toward them. But they couldnt use lights or even fire their guns or theyd reveal their position. If they heard something nearby, theyd toss a hand grenade that way. On the worst nights, dozens of grenades would be tossed from various foxholes at sounds sometimes only yards away. They would hear cries after the explosions. When light came up in the morning, they would see Japanese lying about, some still alive. The Marines would go up to each and end it. Narcisi never heard of a single enemy soldier who surrendered.

 

He was on his stomach one day, crawling to see what lay over a sight line. The island was like that you often couldnt see more than a few yards ahead and had to keep peeking over things.

 

This time, a sniper was waiting. Narcisi does not recall hearing a gunshot. Instead, it was as if someone struck the top of his forehead with a hot poker. He briefly blacked out. When he came to, his face felt sticky. He realized blood was streaming down from his head. The bullet went through his helmet and took part of his scalp off. He only had a little water in his canteen. He decided to keep it for drinking instead of washing the wound.

 

Finally, after 36 days, they took the island. Almost 7,000 Americans were killed in the fight, 33 from Rhode Island .

 

I had talked with Narcisi for over an hour. He said he was only concerned about one thing.

 

This storys not about just me, he said. Its about every Marine and soldier who was on that island. We all went through the same thing.

 

His wife, Gilda, and daughter, Diane, had been listening from nearby. They said that many of these stories were new to them. Almost none of the Iwo Jima veterans, they said, go out of their way to talk about it.

 

I watched as both put a hand on Joe Narcisis shoulders.

 

His eyes were far away.

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  1303rd general services engineering battalion
Posted by: terivee - 11-27-2006, 05:01 AM - Forum: WWII ENGINEERS - Replies (4)


i am seeking any info on the 1303rd engineering regiment, all the info i can come up with , i am having vvery little luck, especially to find where they went to in the s.

pacific,, any info contact me,, my grandfathers unit,

scottschroedl@yahoo.com

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  Bodies in River
Posted by: jim armstroong - 11-26-2006, 11:32 PM - Forum: OTHER WWII UNIT STORIES AND INFO - Replies (3)


Don't remember posting this before but if I did chalk it up to an old man's memory

lapse due to the number of years.

 

I was acting as an MP guarding a cross road outside Chartres,France at the time the 26th (ID) was in the area and Kraut POWS were coming back through. I noticed locals staring down into river so I decided to take a look-see and walked up to the bridge(I was doing interpreting off and on for an Intel Unit) and I heard enough to know that they weren't going to give me help or info.

 

A Canadian "Bike" rider was passing so I asked him to secure my weapon(sure didn't trust locals) while I climbed down the river bank-swam out to an overturned 2-1/2 six-by and proceeded to dive. After a few dives,I located both GIs. Swam ashore to get help. Ordnance sent 2 huge wreckers to recover bodies/trucks.

 

I was taken to an Aid Station for hypothermia treatment(got dry uniform)and went back to my unit as we were loading POWs for shipment to rear.Got served some semi-hot powdered eggs out of a can with ketchup-what a choice!! I had just stuck a hand inside a GIs head a while ago!!

 

Never heard any more-not even the GIs names-but some time later I was told by a Lt. they were from the 26th ID! Have always wondered who they were when I recall this incident since I lived in Boston and the 26th ID had a lot of men from that area in it. The 26th ID was nicknamed "Yankee Div." and shoulder patch was "YD".

 

 

Questions I have/had follow:-

 

Could GIs have been saved if locals spoke up before I got inquisitive?

 

Could we have helped save those GIs if the Locals spoke up??

 

Why stand and stare and not report GIs were in the river?

 

Did they dislike us that much?

 

Would love to have an answer to a lot of questions I have never been able to answer!!

 

I know it's a lot of years since '44 but I'm still curious about those 2 GIs.

 

Maybe ! I'll never know but curiosity came back when I saw YD's Web Page some time back.

 

I have posted this story other places but still nothing for my efforts.

 

Sgtleo :banghead::banghead:

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  Bonhoeffer
Posted by: Walt's Daughter - 11-26-2006, 10:39 PM - Forum: TV Shows, Film, Videos - Replies (9)


I myself have not seen this yet, but have read the posts of others who have.

 

http://www.bonhoeffer.com/

 

BONHOEFFER is a 93-minute documentary film that tells the dramatic story of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, the young German theologian who offered one of the first clear voices of resistance to Adolf Hitler. Bonhoeffer openly challenged his church to stand with the Jews in their time of need, and eventually joined his family in the plots to kill Hitler. His books, Cost of Discipleship, Letters and Papers from Prison, and Ethics, were written during the struggle and are considered classics in the world of religion and ethics.

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  the German Protestant Church
Posted by: Walt's Daughter - 11-26-2006, 10:37 PM - Forum: ANYTHING WWII - No Replies


THE NAZI CHALLENGE TO

THE GERMAN PROTESTANT CHURCH

 

by Victoria J. Barnett

General Editor, Dietrich Bonhoeffer Works, English Edition

Director for Church Relations, US Holocaust Museum

 

At the beginning of the twentieth century the German Evangelical (Protestant) Church was a loose confederation of regional Lutheran, Reformed and United churches. It had a long tradition of nationalism and loyalty to state authority. Like most of the German population, Protestants were tired of the political turbulence of the Weimar years. They feared the threat of Communism, and, in light of their defeat during World War I, they resented other European countries. By 1933, with the installation of Adolf Hitler as Chancellor, many German Protestant leaders were ready to welcome the new Nazi government. They believed that Adolf Hitler would be a strong leader who could revive Germany's economic stability and national pride. Many aspects of Nazi ideology, including its nationalism, anti-Semitism and emphasis on traditional values appealed to German Protestants.

 

But the Protestant Church would soon prove to be a stumbling block to Hitler's plans to "nazify" German society, including its churches. The reason was a reaction to the emergence of the Deutsche Christen (German Christian) church, a nationalistic Protestant group that identified with Nazi ideology and hoped to create a national Reich Church that would embody Nazi ideals. The German Christians won the national church elections in July 1933 and quickly tried to enforce their agenda, which included the adoption of "Aryan laws" within the church (permitting only racially pure Germans to hold church positions) and the eradication of all Jewish influences from Christian scriptures, liturgies and hymns.

 

If they agreed with many of the political aims of the Nazi regime, many Protestant clergy and leaders nevertheless found the German Christian agenda to be ideologically tainted and anti-Christian. A new movement emerged, led by prominent preachers and theologians like Martin Niemoeller and Karl Barth, that opposed the German Christians: the Confessing Church. Founded on the principle that a truly Christian church would not succumb to the demands of political ideology, the Confessing Church argued that the principles of belief were to be found in the scriptures, not in Nazi laws, and that the head of the Church was Christ, not a political Fuhrer. These convictions placed the Confessing Church on a collision course not only with the German Christians, but with the Nazi dictatorship itself.

 

Nazi authorities responded by harassing local Confessing congregations and arresting their more outspoken pastors. Karl Barth, the Swiss theologian who wrote the Confessing Church's founding faith statement, the Barmen Declaration of Faith, lost his professorship in Bonn and returned to Switzerland in 1935 after refusing to take a loyalty oath. Martin Niemoeller, the most prominent Confessing pastor in Germany, would ultimately spend seven years in Nazi prisons and concentration camps.

 

Under such pressures, many argued that the Protestant Church in general should confine its witness purely to church affairs and refrain from political criticism of the Nazi regime. Even the Confessing Church, despite its courageous beginnings, became more intimidated by Nazi authorities with each passing year. It was divided between moderates who sought compromise with the Nazi regime and radicals who felt called to political opposition. While some Confessing Christians offered resistance against the regime and attempted to rescue its victims, most Protestants sought only to maintain an "apolitical" church, free of Nazi influences – not acknowledging that, in Nazi Germany, such neutrality inevitably meant silence about Nazi injustice and terror.

 

Although he was only 27 years of age in when Hitler became Chancellor, Dietrich Bonhoeffer gained early prominence as one of the most radical voices in the Confessing Church. Even before the Confessing Church was founded Bonhoeffer raised the question of church resistance against what he described as the illegitimate use of state authority. Throughout the Third Reich, Bonhoeffer retained an uncanny ability to pinpoint and critique those aspects of Protestant tradition, such as subservience to state authority, that paralyzed his church and ultimately prevented it from offering greater resistance to Nazism. And in his writings he raised more universal questions, based on his experience in the Confessing Church and then in the resistance, about the viability of religious faith in an ideological age and the ethical demands of fighting against evil.

 

Tragically, Bonhoeffer's prophetic voice was silenced only weeks before the Allied victory. Yet the German Protestant church that emerged from the ashes in 1945 was a very different one from the predominantly nationalistic church that had greeted Hitler in 1933. In the October 1945 Stuttgart Declaration of Guilt its leaders acknowledged their guilt and complicity in the Nazi reign of terror. In the decades since, Bonhoeffer's writings and witness have continued to inspire and influence German Protestants as well as Christians throughout the world.

 

I am going to place another post regarding this in the film section, since it deals with the movie about Dietrich.

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