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  I Want to Know
Posted by: jim armstroong - 01-15-2007, 05:02 PM - Forum: Current Events - Replies (1)


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This is a long read but I truly believe it should be read by all here:-

 

YOU WORRY ME!

 

By American Airlines Pilot - Captain John Maniscalco

 

"I've been trying to say this since 9-11 but you worry me. Iwish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the streets of this country that I love, that your color and culture still blended with the beautiful human landscape we enjoy in this country. But you don't blend in anymore. I notice you, and it worries me.I notice you because I can't help it anymore .People from your homelands, professing to be Muslims, have been attacking and killing my fellow citizens and our friends for more than 20 years now.

 

I don't fully understand their grievances and hate but I know that nothing can justify the inhumanity of their attacks.

 

On September 11, nineteen ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners in my country. They cut the throats of women in front of children and brutally stabbed to death others. They took control of those planes and crashed them into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers, loving sons,wise grandparents, elegant daughters,best friends, favorite coaches, fearless public servants, and children's mothers.

 

The Palestinians Celebrated, The Iraqis were overjoyed as was most of the Arab world. So I notice you now. I don't want to be worried. I don't want to be consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that has destroyed the soul of these terrorists. But I need your help. As a rational American, trying to protect my country and family in an irrational and unsafe world, I must know how to tell the difference between you,and the Arab/Muslim terrorist. How do I differentiate between the true Arab/Muslim-Americans and the Arab/Muslims in our communities who are attending our schools, enjoying our parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection of OUR constitution, while they plot the next attack that will slaughter these same good neighbors and children? The events of September 11th changed the answer. It is not my responsibility to determine which of you embraces our great country, with ALL of its religions, with ALL of its different citizens, with all of its faults.

 

It is time for every Arab/Muslim in this country to determine it for me.I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a right to know whether or not you love America.Do you pledge allegiance to its flag? Do you proudly display it in front of your house, or on yourcar?

 

Do you pray in your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation, that He will protect and prosper it? Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it in one of your"Jihads"? Are you thankful for the freedom that only this nation affords? A freedom that was paid for by the blood of hundreds of thousands of patriots who gave their lives for this country? Are you willing to preserve this freedom by paying the ultimate sacrifice? Do you love America ? If this is your commitment, then I need YOU to start letting ME know about it.

 

Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media at this time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions you are taking as a community and as a religion to protect the United States of America. Please, no more benign overtures of regretfor the death of the innocent because I worry about who you regard as innocent. No more benign overtures of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks because I worry about what is unprovoked to you. I am not interested in any more sympathy...I am only interested in action.What will you do for America - our great country -- at this time of crisis, at this time of war?

 

I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the streets. I want to hear you chanting "Allah Bless America " I want to see young Arab/Muslim men enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment of money, time, and emotion to the victims of this butchering and to this nation as a whole. The FBI has a list of over 400 people they want to talk to regarding the WTC attack. Many of these people live and socialize in Muslim communities. You know them.You know where they are. Hand them over to us, now! But I have seen little even approaching this sort of action. Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive community close even tighter. You have disappeared from the streets.You have posted armed security guards at your facilities. You have threatened lawsuits. You have screamed for protection from reprisals.

 

The very few Arab/Muslim representatives that HAVE appeared in the media were defensive and equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure that the United States proves who was responsible before taking action. They seemed more concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from violence directed towards them in the United States and abroad than they did with supporting our country and denouncing "leaders"like Khadafi, Hussein, Farrakhan, and Arafat. If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and peace and love for all people then I want chapter and verse from the Koran and statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good is it if the teachings in the Koran are good and pure and true when your "leaders" are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and intolerance?It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if large numbers of the world's Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and adhere to a degenerative form of their religion. A form that has been demonstrated to us over and over again .A form whose structure is built upon a foundation of violence, death, and suicide. A form whose members are recruited from the prisons around the world. A form whose members (some as young as five years old) are seen day after day, week in and week out, year after year, marching in the streets around the world, burning effigies of our presidents, burning the American flag, shooting weapons into the air. A form whose members convert from a peaceful religion, only to take up arms against the great United States of America, the country of their birth. A formwhose rules are so twisted, that their traveling members refuse toshow their faces at airport security checkpoints, in the nameof Islam.

 

Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because our women proudly show their faces in public rather than cover up like a shameful whore? Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because we drink wine with dinner, or celebrate Christmas? Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because we have befriended Israel, the ONLY FRIENDLY CIVILIZED SOCIETY in the Muslim/Arab area, that thinks and acts like most Americans.And if you and your fellow Muslims hate us, then why in the world are you even here? Are you here to take our money? Are you here to undermine our peace and stability? Are you here to destroy us? If so, I want you to leave. I want you to go back to your desert sandpit where women are treated like rats and dogs. I want you to take your religion, your friends, and your family back to your Islamic extremists, and STAY THERE! We will NEVER give in to your influence, your retarded mentality, your twisted, violent, intolerant religion.

 

We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11, or any others for that matter, to take away that which is so precious to us: Our rights under the greatest constitution in the world. I want to know where every Arab/ Muslim in this country stands and I think it is my right and the right of every true citizen of this country to demand it. A right paid for by the blood of thousands of my brothers and sisters who died protecting the very constitution that is protecting you and your family. I am pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my brother, my neighbor, my friend, As a fellow American.But there can be no gray areas or ambivalence regarding your allegiance and it is up to YOU, to show ME, where YOU stand. "Until then you worry me"

 

Sgtleo (and Yes I AM WORRIED) :pdt34:

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  9TH INFANTRY DIVISION
Posted by: Jeff B. - 01-15-2007, 03:05 PM - Forum: ANYTHING WWII - Replies (5)


Can anyone shed any light on the 9th Infantry Division. T/5 Morris, my wifes dad, lived through the war and died just a few years ago. I never met him but my wife has his purple heart and his CIB (awarded 21 August 1944). She also has his discharge papers which list his Decorations and awards.

He was awarded the Distinguished Unit Badge, Purple heart, E A M E Campaign Medal with 3 Bronze Stars, American Defense Service Medal, and the Good Conduct Medal. Under battles and campaigns: Normandy, Northern France, Rhineland. At the end of this are GO 33 WD 45.

 

This discharge paper says he was wounded 11 June 1944.

 

Just as before I don't bring very much to the table but any information will be appreciated.

 

Parker

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  USS NEW YORK
Posted by: twobisquit - 01-13-2007, 10:41 PM - Forum: Current Events - Replies (8)


USS New York

 

She was built with 24 tons of scrap steel from the World Trade Center.

 

She is the fifth in a new class of warship - designed for missions that include special operations against terrorists. It will carry a crew of 360 sailors and 700 combat-ready Marines to be delivered ashore by helicopters and assault craft.

 

Steel from the World Trade Center was melted down in a foundry in Amite, LA to cast the ship's bow section. When it was poured into the molds on Sept. 9, 2003, "those big rough steelworkers treated it with total reverence," recalled Navy Capt. Kevin Wensing, who was there. "It was a spiritual moment for everybody there."

 

Junior Chavers, foundry operations manager, said that when the trade center steel first arrived, he touched it with his hand and the "hair on my neck stood up." "It had a big meaning to it for all of us," he said. "They knocked us down. They can't keep us down. We're going to be back."

 

The ship's motto? "Never Forget"

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  WWII Propaganda Films
Posted by: afc7883 - 01-13-2007, 06:39 PM - Forum: ANYTHING WWII - Replies (2)


I have always been interested in propaganda and it's various methods of use, both good and bad. The WWII film series "Know Your Enemy" is just one of many I have viewed recently. One of them in the part on Germany is titled "Feldzug en Polan", or campaign in Poland, which I was watching last night. I have seen it before, but never before in English translation like I did last night. It is a very clever spin of events of September 1939 which make it appear (quite believably to Germans) that Poland was the aggressor and cruel 'master' to the German speaking people...committing one act of barbarism after another, while the good Adolf Hitler tried "repeatedly" through peaceful means to resolve the problem. One scene in particular stuck with me, as the announcer says "Germany has tried unsuccessfully to save the innocent civilians of Warsaw...Now the guns will do the talking!"..and they go on to blast the city's inhabitants with a massive artillary barrage.

By today's standards and media, this film would be ludicrous in it's content and easily disputed via live internet transmissions, CNN and the rest...but think back to 1939! If you lived in Germany you received your news by newspapers or, if you were fortunate...a small radio with limited reception. It would have been very easy for the propaganda ministry to conduct a very effective campaign of misinformation. Also, I believe that most people want to be patriotic (then and now) and are willing to believe what their government tells them about foreign policy. I say this partly because it has been easy for me in the past to issue a blanket condemnation of the German people without really digging into the possible reasons why they were so willing to believe Hitler's lies. Good propaganda/Limited access to information played a HUGE part in World War Two! :rolleyes:

 

Dogdaddy

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  Jefferson's Quran
Posted by: twobisquit - 01-13-2007, 02:18 PM - Forum: Current Events - No Replies


I ran across this today and thought it was a good read. It is quite ironic that so many Black Americans would follow the religion that enslaved them

Subject: A litle history lesson

 

What Thomas Jefferson learned

from the Muslim book of jihad

 

Democrat Keith Ellison is now officially the first Muslim United States

congressman. True to his pledge, he placed his hand on the

Quran, the Muslim book of jihad and pledged his allegiance to the United

States during his ceremonial swearing -in.

Capitol Hill staff said Ellison's swearing-in photo opportunity drew

more media than they had ever seen in the history of the U.S.

House. Ellison represents the 5th Congressional District of Minnesota.

The Quran Ellison used was no ordinary book. It once belonged to Thomas

Jefferson, third president of the United States and one of

America's founding fathers. Ellison borrowed it from the Rare Book

Section of the Library of Congress. It was one of the 6,500

Jefferson books archived in the library.

Ellison, who was born in Detroit and converted to Islam while in

college, said he chose to use Jefferson's Quran because it showed

that "a visionary like Jefferson" believed that wisdom could be gleaned

from many sources.

There is no doubt Ellison was right about Jefferson believing wisdom

could be "gleaned" from the Muslim Quran. At the time Jefferson

owned the book, he needed to know everything possible about Muslims

because he was about to advocate war against the Islamic

"Barbary" states of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Tripoli.

Ellison's use of Jefferson's Quran as a prop illuminates a subject once

well-known in the history of the United States, but, which

today, is mostly forgotten - the Muslim pirate slavers who over many

centuries enslaved millions of Africans and tens of thousands

of Christian Europeans and Americans in the Islamic "Barbary" states.

Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the African and

Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and seizing

slaves.

The taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal villages

had a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim raiders

to kill off as many of the "non-Muslim" older men and women as possible

so the preferred "booty" of only young women and children

could be collected.

Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as

concubines in Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the sexual

interests of Muslim men by allowing them to take as many as four wives

at one time and to have as many concubines as their fortunes

allow.

Boys, as young as 9 or 10 years old, were often mutilated to create

eunuchs who would bring higher prices in the slave markets of

the Middle East. Muslim slave traders created "eunuch stations" along

major African slave routes so the necessary surgery could be

performed. It was estimated that only a small number of the boys

subjected to the mutilation survived after the surgery.

When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776, American

merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no American

Navy for protection, American ships were attacked and their Christian

crews enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under the control

of the "Dey of Algiers"--an Islamist warlord ruling Algeria.

Because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being destroyed by

the pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784 to

negotiate treaties with the four Barbary States. Congress appointed a

special commission consisting of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson,

and Benjamin Franklin, to oversee the negotiations.

Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the Mediterranean,

the new America government tried to appease the Muslim

slavers by agreeing to pay tribute and ransoms in order to retrieve

seized American ships and buy the freedom of enslaved sailors.

Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to get

American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again. Jefferson

was opposed. He believed there would be no end to the demands for

tribute and wanted matters settled "through the medium of war." He

proposed a league of trading nations to force an end to Muslim piracy.

In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and Adams,

then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with

Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the "Dey of Algiers" ambassador to Britain.

 

The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress' vote

to appease.

During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey's ambassador why

Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with

which they had no previous contacts.

In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents

reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had

answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it

was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not

have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right

and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found,

and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every

Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to

go to Paradise."

For the following 15 years, the American government paid the Muslims

millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or

the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute

amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual

revenues in 1800.

Not long after Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he

dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in the

Mediterranean, and informed Congress.

Declaring that America was going to spend "millions for defense but not

one cent for tribute," Jefferson pressed the issue by

deploying American Marines and many of America's best warships to the

Muslim Barbary Coast.

The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS

Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action.

In 1805, American Marines marched across the dessert from Egypt into

Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing

of all American slaves.

During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States,

crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and on

shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and

piracy.

Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn,

with the line, "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of

Tripoli, we will fight our country's battles on the land as on the sea."

 

It wasn't until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total

defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates.

Jefferson had been right. The "medium of war" was the only way to put

and end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about

Jefferson. He was a "visionary" wise enough to read and learn about the

enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad.

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