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  Bloody Omaha...
Posted by: ricklind - 03-09-2008, 10:31 AM - Forum: ANYTHING WWII - Replies (2)


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Not seen this photo before, but it shows just how far those guys had to run, without cover, just to reach the shoreline.

 

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  B-17 STORY... A war story with heart.
Posted by: ricklind - 03-08-2008, 05:43 AM - Forum: ANYTHING WWII - Replies (1)


Thanks Bill. This is quite a story. I checked it with the

8th Air Force Historical Society and it's part of their

 

collection of WWII stories.' BL

 

A B-17 War Story

 

Charlie Brown was a B-17 Flying Fortress pilot with the 379th Bomber Group at Kimbolton, England. His B-17 was called 'Ye Old Pub' and was in a terrible state, having been hit by flak and fighters. The compass was damaged and they were flying deeper over enemy territory instead of heading home to Kimbolton.

 

 

 

After flying over an enemy airfield, a German pilot named Franz Steigler was ordered to take off and shoot down the B-17. When he got near the B-17, he could not believe his eyes. In his words, he 'had never seen a plane in such a bad state'. The tail and rear section was severely damaged, and the tail gunner wounded. The top gunner was all over the top of the fuselage. The nose was smashed and there were holes everywhere .

 

 

 

Despite having ammunition, Franz flew to the side of the B-17 and looked at Charlie Brown, the pilot. Brown was scared and struggling to control his damaged and blood-stained plane.

 

 

 

Aware that they had no idea where they were going, Franz waved at Charlie to turn 180 degrees. Franz escorted and guided the stricken plane to and slightly over the North Sea towards England. He then saluted Charlie Brown and turned away, back to Europe.

 

 

 

When Franz landed he told the C/O that the plane had been shot down over the sea, and never told the truth to anybody. Charlie Brown and the remains of his crew told all at their briefing, but were ordered never to talk about it.

 

 

 

More than 40 years later, Charlie Brown wanted to find the Luftwaffe pilot who saved the crew. After years of research, Franz was found. He had never talked about the incident, not even at post-war reunions.

 

 

 

They met in the USA at a 379th. Bomber Group reunion, together with 25 people who are alive now - all because Franz never fired his guns that day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Research shows that Charlie Brown lived in Seattle and Franz Steigler had moved to Vancouver, BC, after the war. When they finally met, they discovered they had lived less than 200 miles apart for the past 50 years!

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  Naval Losses
Posted by: Walt's Daughter - 03-07-2008, 08:54 AM - Forum: ANYTHING WWII - No Replies


An interesting link sent by James Hennessey:

 

http://www.usspennsylvania.com/NavalLosses.htm

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  War Poetry
Posted by: CaptO - 03-06-2008, 11:50 PM - Forum: General discussion - Replies (22)


Some new ones for the group. This is one that was written during WWI. It was written by someone in the 63rd (Royal Naval) Division. Here is an excerpt from the link:

One of the real troubles with the army came in the form of General Shute. He joined the Division during the Somme of 1916 and insisted on wearing the army rank. So they wore on one arm the naval rank and the army rank in the other, even though they loathed the other arm. The sailors did not go "for all the spit and polish" of the army, as they were pulling the army out of the shit by supplying the best fighting Division in the British Army. Living in trenches, it was near impossible to keep the rifles clean but "Schultz the Hun" would insist that they were kept clean and complained at every opportunity about the state of the rifles, dress and general kit. He inspected the Division when they took over the Souchez Sector from the Portuguese. The trenches were a mess even to the sailors of the 63rd, and had no time to clear things up, when along came "Schultz". He went back and wrote an official complaint about the disgusting state of the 63rd's trenches to the High Command. A. P. Herbert (who became a writer) wrote a poem about the episode, which was eventually turned into a song. It started being sung by the 63rd Div, then by the whole Army, so "Schultz" liveth for ever in the song. The song is sang in tune of "Wrap me up in my tarpaulin jacket"

 

Here is the poem:

 

The General inspecting the trenches

exclaimed with a horrified shout,

"I refuse to command a Division

Which leaves its excreta about."

 

And certain responsible critics

Made haste to reply to his words

Observing that his Staff advisers

Consisted entirely of turds.

 

But nobody took any notice

No one was prepared to refute,

That the presence of shit was congenial

Compared with the presence of Shute.

 

For shit may be shot at odd corners

And paper supplied there to suit,

But a shit would be shot without mourners

If somebody shot that shit Shute.

 

Pretty good, huh? I thought that a little levity would be good; some of these poems can be fairly heavy.

 

Here's another one - not as light but not real depressing either. It's very widely know; at least it's widely know of.

It commemorates the charge of British light cavalry against a fortified Russian position, with artillery, during the Crimean War.

 

The Charge of the Light Brigade by Alfred Lord Tennyson

 

Half a league half a league,

Half a league onward,

All in the valley of Death

Rode the six hundred:

'Forward, the Light Brigade!

Charge for the guns!' he said:

Into the valley of Death

Rode the six hundred.

 

'Forward, the Light Brigade!'

Was there a man dismayed?

Not though the soldier knew

Someone had blundered:

Theirs not to make reply,

Theirs not to reason why,

Theirs but to do and die,

Into the valley of Death

Rode the six hundred.

 

Cannon to right of them,

Cannon to left of them,

Cannon in front of them

Volleyed and thundered;

Stormed at with shot and shell,

Boldly they rode and well,

Into the jaws of Death,

Into the mouth of Hell

Rode the six hundred.

 

Flashed all their sabres bare,

Flashed as they turned in air

Sabring the gunners there,

Charging an army, while

All the world wondered:

Plunged in the battery-smoke

Right through the line they broke;

Cossack and Russian

Reeled from the sabre-stroke,

Shattered and sundered.

Then they rode back, but not

Not the six hundred.

 

Cannon to right of them,

Cannon to left of them,

Cannon behind them

Volleyed and thundered;

Stormed at with shot and shell,

While horse and hero fell,

They that had fought so well

Came through the jaws of Death,

Back from the mouth of Hell,

All that was left of them,

Left of six hundred.

 

When can their glory fade?

O the wild charge they made!

All the world wondered.

Honour the charge they made!

Honour the Light Brigade,

Noble six hundred!

 

That's got to be one of the greatest war poems ever put to paper.

 

More later. . .

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  Vet accused of criminal intent
Posted by: Walt's Daughter - 03-06-2008, 07:55 PM - Forum: ANYTHING WWII - Replies (2)


I knew about this because one of my friends from Belgium had notified me regarding the said atrocity. Today it's actually in the newspapers, so it is more than heresay or opinion. All I can say is what a damned shame. Hope this gets worked out...

 

Ill veteran ordered to attend his hearing on theft charges

By Kathleen Brady Shea

Inquirer Staff Writer

 

The attorney for an 82-year-old World War II veteran said his client was too ill to attend his preliminary hearing on theft charges yesterday, an excuse the judge rejected.

 

The decision by Magisterial District Judge John Anthony to require Earle R. Hart of Berwyn to make an appearance may have been influenced by the presence of half a dozen other octogenarian veterans. Despite obvious health issues, they traveled from as far away as Red Bank, N.J., to confront the man they say ripped them off and betrayed their trust.

 

Police say Hart's criminal behavior arose from his membership in Veterans of the Battle of the Bulge, a nationwide organization of about 7,500 lifetime members who fought in the largest land battle of World War II in which the United States participated.

 

Acting as an executive board member for VBOB's Delaware Valley chapter, Hart organized a trip to Belgium and Luxembourg to commemorate the battle's 60th anniversary in 2004 and pocketed more than $80,000 that belonged to other veterans, police said. Detectives said Hart used the money for purchases such as a Mini Cooper for his girlfriend, Holly McCord, whom he later married.

 

Anthony told Hart's attorney, Mark Much, that Hart could not waive the hearing over the phone, and about a half-hour later, Hart walked into the courtroom with two women who were not identified.

 

Chief Deputy District Attorney Robert L. Miller said Hart had agreed to a conditional waiver. In exchange for giving up his right to a hearing, Hart received a reduction of his various theft charges from 10 to three. If the case goes to trial, the charges will be reinstated, Miller said.

 

Hart, his attorney, and his supporters declined comment after the hearing, but his accusers had plenty to say.

 

Stanley A. Wojtusik, the past national president of VBOB, said the case is about more than money. He said Hart's daughter, Peggy Hart Earle, the founder of the Hartstrings clothing line, had offered to pay the debt to make the case disappear.

 

"This was such a betrayal; money alone is not going to satisfy them," said Wojtusik of the 200 veterans who made the trip. "We would like to have a letter of apology."

 

Wojtusik said Hart left Belgium and Luxembourg without paying bills for hotels and services after people in those countries had rolled out the red carpet for their American liberators.

 

"It's an international embarrassment," said Edith T. Nowels, a VBOB official.

 

Hart, who once served as an advisory board member for the Pennsylvania Veterans Museum, has described action on the front lines in publications ranging from an Embassy of Belgium newsletter to online military sites.

 

He was a principal in Chester County's Strasburg Landfill, a controversial 22-acre dumping ground for toxic chemicals that became a Superfund site in 1989.

 

 

 

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Contact staff writer Kathleen Brady Shea at 610-701-7625 or kbrady@phillynews.com.

 

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20080...ft_charges.html

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