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  1. Hi.. 1. While Your GGF's records may have been destroyed in the St. Louis fire, the UNIT records are located in College Park, MD. I suggest you contact the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) via the internet and ask for unit records that match the dates on his discharge...arrival in the TO and departure from the ETO. the records usually include S-3 journals (message and incident logs), After Action Reports (monthly summaries) and other things. 2. I suggest you also try the VA. Their records are sometimes distinct from the Military's. The files focus on health related issues: and every time a solder transferred units, he got a physical and a dental check up. Using that information, you can trace your GGF from unit to unit. sometimes the discharge record lists the most recent unit the soldier was in, not necessarily the one in which he spent most of his time. So, the VA records noted above might shed some light. 3. According to the discharge and to the Campaign & Citation Register, he earned credit for Northern France and the Rhineland Campaigns. The Discharge also notes he entered service via the National Guard. So, he served in more than one unit before getting to the 1173rd. I suggest you contact the State (where he was living at the time) National Guard HQ and see what they can tell you, if anything. 4. If you not already done so, I suggest you check out the US Army's WWII history series, "the Green books." There are two volumes covering the Engineers listed in the "Technical series" sub-set and a number of campaign volumes in the ETO sub-series covering the actions of the Third Army. The volume "The Last Offensive" by Chas. MacDonald lists the VIII Corps in the index. I THINK these books are all on-line with free access. 5 Finally, if you haven't tried it, I suggest you look at the options Ancestry.com offers. You can check veterans records for free, if I am not mistaken. Remember that any Engineer Combat Group was an umbrella headquarters that controlled a group of Engineer smaller units, Company and Battalion sized. Engineer Groups were usually controlled by the Corps Engineer...and could be used near the Front or behind it, supporting combat operations. These Groups managed the smaller units necessary, like truck companies, engineer (C) Battalions, bridging companies etc...and were then attached to whatever Divisions in the Corps that needed these units. Oftentimes, Combat Battalions maintained roads, cleared minefields etc, built bridges or defensive positions too.
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    John J. Kudla

    Hi... Thank you for your work honoring the fallen. Have you contacted the US National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) on line? Ask NARA what records they hold on the 112th Engineers for the month/s you are interested in seeing. These records could include the S-3 message log (JOURNAL) and after action summaries (AAR's)as well as misc reports etc. These records would at least provide information about the BN the day John was killed. Also, on line, check the U.S. Army in WWII series: "Cross Channel Attack." I cannot remember the URL, but it is on-line. Hope this little helps. theron
  3. The 1132nd Engineers was in reality the 1132nd Engineer Combat Group. IT acted as a coordinating HQ for likely a revolving set of smaller units like combat BN,s Bridge Companies, Dump Truck and heavy equipment companies etc. According to the Army Unit Citation and Campaign Credit Register, the 1132nd received credit for the Central Europe and the Rhineland campaigns..and occupation credit for Germany. For part of that time, the 1132nd was attached to the Ninth US Army (According to its history). Camp Lucky Strike, by the way, served as a holding and embarkation camp for troops leaving the ETO and returning to the USA.
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    505 coast artillery

    Hi all: It has been a few years (1980's or so) since I did this, but here is another idea: Another possible source of discharge papers: Try the County clerk's Office on the county of residence of the soldier AT THE TIME OF THE WAR. After the war, States often paid a bonus to any veteran who filed his/her discharge with the County of Residence. Many counties still hold these records. Sometimes there is a charge of a few dollars for a copy. Some States hold these records in the State Capitol; A few States limit access to these records to next of Kin. If I remember correctly, Illinois does this. Incidentally, as part of my Ph.D thesis research, I obtained some 195 discharge records this way. I started out with an old address book one veteran had kept and went from there. Tedious, but this was before days of the internet and White Pages etc.
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    505 coast artillery

    Hi... 1. did you try NARA's contact in College Park, MD? The fire burned individuals' files and some morning reports, but NOT unit records. They are at College Park, MD. Contact them via their web site. 2. I found the following: August 2009 The Coast Defense Journal Page 73 505th Coast Artillery (AA) Regiment (Mobile) Activated in AUS 6-1-42 at Cp. Edwards, MA, and moved to Indiantown Gap Military Reservation, PA, 11-29-42 and staged for overseas deployment. Departed NYC POE 12-8-42, arrived England 12-13-42. Moved to North Africa 3-4-43 and landed in Salerno, Italy, 9-9-43. Inactivated Santa Maria, Italy, 3-14-44. HHB redesignated HHB 505th AAA Gp; 1st Bn redesignated 87th AAA (Gun) Bn; 2nd Bn redesignated 900th AAA (AW) Bn; 3rd Bn disbanded. 3. Given that the unit was reorganized, it is likely that many individuals were reassigned to other branches. That's how my father went from AAA to Combat Engineers. 4. (Maybe your best bet) You should also contact the VA and request your Dad's VA file. I think they are separate from the files in St. Louis. You are entitled to it as next of kin. That file has all sorts of stuff in it (My father's had an evacuation tag from an incident when he was on active duty and was hurt). IT ALSO should contain enough paperwork that you can trace your father from unit to unit. I had access to several files during my Ph.D research...and was able to do so for several men...and these files came from various locations across the country. They were sent to my local VA clinic to allow me access.
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    Robert Lanman 149th Engr Co C.

    No information YEY on the 149th. BUT,,,if you discover ANYTHNG at all about the 978th Engineer Maintenance Company, please let me know. Wrote my Ph.D thesis about that Company. Quartered in Speckholzerheide and Kerkgrade, Holland November 1944 to 30 November 1944 when the Company moved to Mariagrube Coal Mine (near Mariadorf) Germany.
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    505 coast artillery

    Great posts. Thank you for these.
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    505 coast artillery

    The insignia would depend upon the 505th's assignment. IF it has attached to Army or Corps or to another level of authority. Some AAA units had a rondel with AA inside it. The AAA units surrounding Antwerp had their own. I would start with the HQ to which the 505th reported.. Do you have any photos of indiviudals in the 505th? Can you see what they were wearing? The 978th Engineers, wore the shoulder insignia of the Ninth Army even though they had been assigned (kind of loaned out) to the XIXthe Corps (which had its own insignia)
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    #1484 Engineer Maint Co

    Check out this link; it is to a page in the multi-volume report of the US Army Engineers in the SW Pacific. If not in any large library near you, These volumes can be borrowed via interlibrary loan and the US Army Military History Research Center.(old name). More when I have time. https://books.google.com/books?id=qIDgFaEiDokC&pg=PA182&lpg=PA182&dq=1484th+Engineer+Maintenance+Company&source=bl&ots=QR-KodFGBW&sig=hI_B6CbRQ6Clb272ToWuzCtefP8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjf38qAqPbZAhVh2oMKHfrGDsQQ6AEIMjAB#v=onepage&q=1484th Engineer Maintenance Company&f=false ps. I wrote my Ph.D thesis on the 978th Engineer Maintenance Company that served in the ETO. I THINK I may have some material related to these companies. I do know the first was the 56th Engineer Shop Company which in turn split with part of it (475th) ending up in Iceland. It provided the cadre for the 978th...which in turn provided cadre for the 1478th AND the 1487th Engr Maintenance Companies. The Table of Organization and Equipment (TO&E 5-157) identified a hq, contact and two maintenance platoons. How the companies were used proves more complicated. Some were in the combat zones, some in communication zone etc. The 978th for example was attached to the XIXth Corps in the ETO, and the Corps engineer officer wanted it as close to the front lines as possible. Others in other organizations were kept back...... theron
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    Dog Tags

    Hi Rick.. You might contact any local or regional (including county) museums in the area where your uncle lived. Such places often display (or save) military items from local citizens. Sometimes local fair grounds also have small displays. Sometimes, local libraries have small displays as well. I have quite a bit of material and documents covering my dad's outfit and my uncle's.....and I face the same issue. I also have a few original WWII unit histories. I plan to send them to the U.S. Army Historical Center at Carlisle Barracks, PA. They maintain a large library, and if they have multiple copies, they also loan the books through inter-library loan. I took advantage of that when I researched my Ph.D thesis. Unfortunately, local libraries often sell such gifts given the usual space issues such libraries face. theron
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    505 coast artillery

    Rick: I can help you more once you have a ship name, but getting that name will be difficult. The National Archives destroyed the pertinent shipping records quite a while ago. I Perhaps the best start would be to request the UNIT RECORD CARD for the 505th from the National Archives. That record will have a great deal of information about movements...and may include the shipment number or the name of the ship. One way would be to request a list of unit records from NARA regarding the 505th. This is a different records group than the Unit Card. Those records MIGHT include a history written by the unit for the War Department, a requirement. That history might include either the ship name or the shipment number. There is also a web site focusing upon troop movements and lists unit, ship name and dates. I suspect if you google troop movements you will find it. I'm attaching a worksheet/article I wrote on how to research ships in US records. It dawns on me that you might want to look into the UK's records since the 505th may have been aboard a British ship if they sailed from England. Their National Archives at Kew is on-line, and sometimes the records are downloadable...for a small fee. researching_WW2_us_merchant_seamen.rtf
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    505 coast artillery

    I think the numbers after job titles are the MOS (military occupation specialty) numbers. Honestly, each individual was reduced to his MOS and was assigned just like parts in a supply chain. Not sure about the self-propelled 90mm; Try googling it...or try the Fort Sill web site and history. Sill was a major AAA training camp during the war. My Father did basic there before being shipped to an CA battery overlooking Seattle. theron
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    121st NCB 3rd Batt 20th Marines

    Try ebay; I notice that someone has a long list of SeaBee unit histories for sale.
  14. Hi... You might want to contact the V.A. and ask for your father's VA file. This MAY be distinct from the files in St. Louis. In my reading of files, I found basic information, including the trail from assignment to assignment. In my father's, I actually found the evacuation tag that had been attached to his clothes when he got sick. The bronze star, if it was part of the APS medal would indicated he participated in one landing. If he was awarded a Bronze Star Medal, know that it was a dual purpose medal: for combat or for service. You can contact the National Archives on line and inquire into the records of the two Engineer outfits you mention. Sometimes you can find rosters. Finally, check the US Army's WWII history series, the so-called Green books. These are now on-line too. You can check the volume on the Engineers in the Pacific as well as the campaign history for the area. They might give you the background information you need to ask more specific questions. Here is what I found on the task force you note. Down near the end of this list you will see the engineer regiments mentioned as having stayed in Australia. ************************************************************ FROM: TASK FORCE 6814, US ARMY IN AUSTRALIA DURING WW2 Task Force 6814 was hastily thrown together by the US Army straight after the Japanese had attacked Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941. It was brought together with personnel from right across the United States, with limited equipment and lots of new faces in unfamiliar roles. Task Force 6814 comprised:- Hq & Hq Det, Task Force (including attached Division Surgeons's office) Hq & Hq Co, 51 Infantry Brigade 132nd Infantry Regiment (Illinois National Guard) 182 Infantry Regiment 754 Tank Battalion 180 Field Artillery Regiment (155mm), less 2 Bn 2 Bn, 123 Field Artillery Regiment (155mm) 70 Coast Artillery Regiment (AA, Mobile), less Band 3 Bn, 244 Coast Artillery Regiment (155mm) 3 Plat, Btry G, 244 Coast Artillery Regiment (155mm) 101 Quartermaster Rgt, less 2 Bn, section Car Plat, section Motorcycle Plat and Maint. Plat Co A, 82 Quartermaster Battalion (LM) 2 Plat, Co B, 89 Quartermaster Regiment 2 and 3 Plats, Co A, 96 Quartermaster Bakery Battalion 1 Bn, 108 Quartermaster Regiment 216 Quartermaster Company (Mobile Shoe and Textile Repair), less plat 705 Quartermaster Truck Company 1 Bn, 101 Engineer Regiment 810 Aviation Engineer Battalion (Negro) 811 Aviation Engineer Battalion (Negro) 22 Ordnance Medium Maintenance Company 51 Ordnance Ammunition Company 73 Ordnance Depot Company (two storehouse sections) 676 Ordnance Company (platoon) 9 Station Hospital 52 Evacuation Hospital 109 Station Hospital 101 Medical Regiment (less one collecting co, one ambulance co, and Division Surgeon's office) 67 Pursuit Squadron 58 Interceptor Control Squadron (section) 3 Quartermaster Aviation Supply Company (detachment) Army Airways Communications System detachment 26 Signal Company 121 Signal Radar Intelligence Company 175 Signal Repair Company (radio and wire repair sections) 162 Signal Photo Company (unit) 65 Materiel Squadron (including attached medical personnel) 26 Military Police Company (platoon) 502 Army Postal Unit Finance Detachment 2 Chemical Decontamination Company (detachment) 43 Engineer General Service Regiment, less Band 46 Engineer General Service Regiment, less Band 694 Signal company (Hq & Hq Det) Weather Detachment 13 Reconnaissance Squadron 4 General Hospital Task Force 6814 travelled to Australia in a large convoy. Many of these ships were luxury liners that were hurriedly converted to a troop ship. The convoy comprised:- SS Argentina SS Barry SS Cristobel SS Erickson SS McAndrew SS Santa Elena SS Santa Rosa SS Island Mail The convoy left New York Harbour on 23 January 1942. It was escorted by a number of destroyers and aerial escorts including the occasional blimp. During their voyage south to Panama there was a submarine scare. A number of depth charges were dropped on a suspected enemy submarine. The Task Force produced its own newspapers, one of which was known as "Twin-Ocean Gazette". As many as 2,500 copies of this newspaper were printed daily when conditions permitted. Colonel Edmund B. Sebree was appointed as the Chief of Staff of Task Force 6814 and flew into Panama to join the convoy. Col. Sebree's staff comprised:- Training was carried out during transit to their still unknown destination. Some of the training included jungle tactics, tropical diseases and gunnery. The Convoy arrived in Melbourne in Victoria, Australia on 27 February 1942. The troops were unloaded and dispersed to five major areas:- Ballarat Bendigo Camp Darley Camp Pell in Royal Park Melbourne, possibly in Camp Murphy in the Melbourne Cricket Grounds Many of the troops were billeted in private households resulting in many long lasting friendships with Australian families. The troops were later overwhelmed with mail from Australian families after they had landed at Guadalcanal. It was soon time to reload the ships to move to New Caledonia. The artillery units which had arrived in Australia without any guns acquired some British 18-pounders and 25-pounders which were loaded on to their ships. Two "Aussie" officers and a small experienced crew of NCO's travelled with the Task Force to New Caledonia to provide training on the new guns. The following are the only units that remained in Australia after debarkation of the other units at Melbourne:- A Task Force advance party flew out of Melbourne for New Caledonia on 6 March 1942. The convoy departed Melbourne on the same day headed for Noumea. They arrived in Noumea on 12 March 1942, minus the SS Erickson which arrived on 18 March 1942 after experiencing power problems on the first day out of Melbourne. Task Force 6814 was reassigned as the Americal Division effective 27 May 1942. Americal is a combination of the words American and Caledonia. It was the only division in the American Army without a number at that time. The 182nd Infantry Regiment of the Americal Division landed on Guadalcanal on 12 November 1942. The 164th Infantry Regiment (North Dako
  15. Do you have more information regarding this man.? Lt. jg means he was in either the Navy or Coast Guard...do you have time-frame, name of ship or even a geographical area?
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