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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:42 PM

Pay scale during WWII...

Someone asked about this among other things in a recent topic regarding her grandfather. Thought this deserved a place of its own.

Here's an interesting article written in Barron's National Business and Financial Weekly, April 24, 1944 by By Malvern Hall Tillitt

I have also attached a chart from another source.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:52 PM

Okay, here are some actual comments from WWII veterans-



Hi Marion,

We had a paymaster who visited our area with cash. We lined up, moved up to his desk (which sometimes was just a stack of boxes,) and he counted out the cash, you signed for it, and that was that. Complications came when you were in combat or on patrol or somewhere the paymaster couldn't go. Then things got backed up and when he did show up he had to explain what he was giving to you. I recall one stint of about three and a half months that we weren't paid. The paymaster really had a tough time figuring the right amounts. No calculators or computers in those days. They usually did have a hand cranked adding machine. Our pay wasn't much, but the paymaster traveled with quite a bit of cash and appropriate security. Guys with sidearms were all around the pay table.

I remember my first pay in China. We also received a sheet of paper telling us what to pay for various services. The going price for a prostitute was the Chinese equivalent of 10 cents American. The Navy messed that up because they were only ashore for a short time and usually didn't go to a currency exchange. So they gave the girls $1. That was really inflationary. We weren't very popular when we tried to give the girls Chinese money that equaled 10 cents American. It wasn't long before the girls were demanding an American dollar.

Bob, WWII/U.S. Marines




More from Bob...



Should be interesting.
Some time after I was discharged, they found a mistake in my final pay (@ Great Lakes Navy Base), and I received an impressive looking envelope from the Dept. of the NAVY, with a check for 10 cents. On the written line of the check it said ***ONLY 10 CENTS***. I never cashed it, but carried it in my wallet for years. Don't know where it is right now but it's somewhere in my papers. I probably messed up the Government bookkeeping. It's still messed up only now it's trillions instead of a dime.


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:54 PM


The pay was 50dol a day once a month cash. Over seas you got a raise of 10 dollars paid in cash of the country you were in after the war ended.
Harold Whiting



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As i recall i was married so I think 21 dollars was sent home for wife and child and 10 dollars was deducted for life insurance that left a private with 29 dollars a month, with no place to spend it. We used to send most home till after the war ended then there were places to spend money snopp shops white lighting. My child was born when I was in France, Aug 1944 She was 16 months old before i saw her. That's history from years ago.


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:03 PM

And from Don Burgett...



During peace or wartime while in the US we, (GI's) were paid in American cash; less deductions for insurance. If stationed in a fort, large facility, etc Laundry, advances in pay, etc were also deducted. Pay call was sounded and troops lined up according to rank, Officers first, except Field Grade Officers, I think their pay was retreived by ther "Dog Robbers," then enlisted non com by rank and or longivity. The run-of-the mill- inlisted men by whoever got in line first.

While serving in foreign countries the proceedure was the same except the troops were paid in the currency of the host country. When WWII ended and we were in Germany we were paid in Marks, in France we were paid in Francs, etc. I believe the value of foreign money was set by the host country, except I believe that German money was of a value set by the Allies collectively.

The black market however, was a different story. Dealers in cash in foreign countries, France for instance, dealers were paying GI's 3 French dollars (equivelant) for each English dollar, and 4 French dollars for every American dollar. Europeans were all afraid of inflation and their only protection at that time was to convert their money for American or English cash.

Some GI's in the right position have made $3000.00 or $4, 000.00 foreign cash, on a payday.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:30 PM

Gosh, I just love my boys... Within hours of sending out a request for info, I've already heard from several. Here's another reply.



Marion,

Here in the states we stood in line and received our pay minus deductions in cash. Same in England but the pay was in Pounds and what ever change in British coins. In the ETO we were given "invasion" money. Only good at at PX or in card games. Memory is shot so I don't remember how we were paid in Germany and France after the war ended. Spent some time in Germany, Austria and France and I guess we got civilian money as in England so we could use it in the country we were stationed.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:32 PM

And a different perspective...



PAY?.....WERE WE SUPPOSED TO GET PAYED?......I NEVER GOT ANY MONEY, OR ANYTHING ELSE, FROM THE TIME
I LANDED NORTH OF NORMANDY UNTIL I GOT OUT OF PRISON CAMP.....THEN I NEVER GOT PAID UNTIL AFTER
I GOT WELL ENOUGH TO GO HOME, SPEND THREE MONTHS CONVALESCENT LEAVE, GO BACK TO LA AND WAIT
UNTIL THEY FOUND MY RECORDS......THEN I GOT $300.00......

KARL (BIILL) JONES
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:24 PM

Captain John Fallon - 36th Engineer

I sent ten % of my pay home as an allotment. Were paid cash in the local currency, Lira, Franc, Mark. We had to sign the paybook precisely in the proper space or get red-lined. Sometimes the paymaster took his time to find us but usually a Company Officer dished it out.


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:30 PM

Jim Zuidema - 65th Infantry Division

Hi Marion.....Well, as for me, I got paid once a month. During combat, not in cash usually, it just built up. After the war, I was put on a desk, they found out I could type, good and fast. After all, I had just gotten out of school when I went into the Army. I was a typist for General Brock, 65th Arty, then battery clerk, then personal sgt and then to Vienna where I was head of General Mark Clark's office. I personally didn't gamble or drink, so I spent most of my money sending it home. I use to sell my cigarettes to "live" on. I made up the payrolls and kept the records, so I never entered any of my "vacations"......every time I got to a new outfit, they looked at my records and asked me where I wanted to go and when. Saw a lot of Europe that way. I know that Privates at that time were getting $50 a month. I remember because just before going overseas, I spent my entire pay and a little extra, very little, on a diamond ring to send to my Theresa. Lasted 64 years. Hope you have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

God bless, JIM


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:36 PM

Yeah, more answers. So happy,,,


Hi Marion,

As I best remember we were paid in cash once a month in the currency of the country in which we were at the moment. (Dollars in the US, Algerian Francs in Algeria, US Occupation Dollars in Italy, France and Germany). We lined up and the CO paid us after we signed the Payroll Roster. After we boarded the ship in Marseilles to come home we surrendered any and all foreign money and were paid back in US Dollars and coinage.

Hope this helps and Happy Holidays,
Aloha,
Jim

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:07 PM

And an example of a final payment sheet (I got it from Jean, but deleted names and numbers).

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:50 PM

GREAT!!!!
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:05 PM

I LOVE these accounts... LOVE them!!
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 02:11 PM

David Wagner - 39th Combat Engineer


Marion

As far as I can remember, only in North Africa when" Eagle did his duty" we were paid in regular money except that the bills had a gold seal. This was done in case the enemy got hold of a large amount he would not be able to use it.

Since the invasion of Sicily occurred so soon after the fighting ended in North Africa it is barely possible that some of the gold seal money was paid in Sicily. I just can't remember because at that time we were all busy considering what we had to do to stay alive.

I hope you can use the info.

As ever,
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 02:14 PM

From Carl Furtado, 36th Combat Engineer



Marion, I sorry I don’t have too much information on what we were getting in WWII. I looked in my 36th files and I saw a mention of my pay as a private first class went up to $50,00 a month while I was still in the states. After deductions I received $37.87. For the rest of the ranks I have no idea. I gave Tony Stefanelli a call and all he could recall was that at the of the war when he was a master sergeant he was making $200,00 a month. As he said, not my words but his, what did we need money for except for booze and broads, as we were always at the front or making a landing. Sorry I can’t be more of a help on this subject, but money was the last thing to think about over there.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:31 AM

Hello Marion,

Called my Dad and talked to him about how he received his pay. He said some of his pay was sent home and he was given $21.00 per month in cash. He would have to sign a voucher that he had received it. He was not 100 percent sure but he thought the money came to his commander.

My Dad (Clarence Ramey, Jr.) was in Patton's 3rd Army 172nd Combat Engineers.

Take care

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:33 AM

From Armonde Casagrande - 343rd Engineer

Speaking for my own Regiment. the payrol was delivered to Regt Heasdquaters, which in turn distributed to the line companies. We were paid in cash. The money (paper0 had a special yellow seal on it to distinguish it from the money used in the states. Money was paid every month. It was considered legal tender in the States also

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:21 AM

Great topic and I love the Veteran's responses!


Obviously no direct experience with me, but my grandfather talked about it a couple times in his letters home while he was in boot camp. In the first instance, he is writing home after being in boot camp for about a month and says:

“I got $29.53. They took two months insurance out (that was $14.00), they took $1.50 out for laundry. The laundry is taken out every month and we can send in all the clothes we want and al it costs is $1.50 per month so thats not bad is it?”

The next mention is six months into his training and just a day before they leave for the Louisiana Maneuvers. At this point he is a Corporal and is acting as Weapons Sergeant (which he ultimately becomes and serves as during the war). He says:

“I will try to write you again tomorrow if I can, I may have to guard the payroll. You see we get paid tomorrow and guarding the payroll is one of the Weapons Sergeant jobs and as I am acting as Weapons Sergeant I may have to do it.”

In looking at the dates of those two letters it looks like payday was at or very near the end of the month (or possibly more and these just happened to be written then). I do not recall any more of him referencing the pay except how much more he would get if he made the next pay grades.

In my conversations with a veteran friend, he remembers waiting to get paid and then having to go up to the desk where the money was and having to say his name, rank, serial number, etc. all while the the money is being guarded by a large man with a side arm!
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:54 PM

Thanks Brian. That was cool of you to post that. Ya, it turned out to be a great topic.
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