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358th Engineers, Company "C"

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Hi All,

Trying to locate information on the 358th Engineers, Company "C", WWII

I have a friend of mine, actually, he's an ex-Bro in Law, that would like to have more information on his Father's Service.  He attempted to get the service records from St. Louis and received the "Fire Disaster" form letter.  Unfortunately, Earl is not very Computer Savy and he is not doing real well health wise so he basically accepted the letter from St. Louis and gave up.   I recently finished a documentary on my Uncle's service during WWII with the 16th Infantry.  When Earl read the draft, he asked me if I would help him.  I couldn't say no but I'm having a very hard time locating much information on the 358th and nothing specific to Company "C".

Attached is a copy of the front page of his Honorable Discharge.  

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Patrick

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Hi Patrick:

Excuse lateness of reply. Hmmm, we currently don't have anything on the 358th. Just when we think we just about have it all covered...


Looks like I have some homework to do. Stay tuned and thanks for joining.

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Ah, missed one tiny mention of this unit. Have to find more.

Looks as though they were a general service regiment.

http://www.6thcorpscombatengineers.com/docs/Engineers/359thHistory.pdf

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Hi Ms. M1 !!!  

Thanks for all the information and time you spent trying to help me.  Sadly and unfortunately, I had found most all of this too....   I've was very active in trying to uncover information on the 358th when I joined here and put a lot of time into searching virtually every avenue I could possibly think of.  I even contacted  Jane Kepp who did a great job on her Father's unit, the 631st Engineer Light Equipment Company.  The reason I contacted her was because of the Lineage I found on the 358th which really confused both Jane and I even more....  Here is what it said:

The 358th Engineer Co., Constituted 25 February 1943 in the Army of the United States as the 631st Engineer Light Equipment Company  

Jane said, she has never heard of the 358th and certainly never saw a reference to them while doing research on her father.  But that's what the official lineage states....  She and I both looked everywhere and she pulled her Research Documents out trying to find something....  Not one thing uncovered...

There is another part to this story that I didn't state in the beginning because it didn't seem relevant at that point.  But it may be more relevant than I had thought....

Haywood E. Waters apparently was in a Bar while overseas and got into an, well, "altercation" let's call it, with an Officer.  I believe he was tried over the incident but it must not have been quite serious enough to cost him his honorable discharge.  My Ex-Brother in law says that he was in Germany in 1945 and there until the war ended.  

Germany surrendered in May 0f 1945 and most units were assigned and shipped out to other areas within 2-weeks or less of the war ending.  However, Haywood E. Waters didn't....  My understanding is that the 358th Moved on to the Phillipines shortly after the War in Germany ended in May 1945 but I cannot find anything on them in the Phillipines.

I have a copy of a certificate for an Authorized "WAR Treasure" where a Lt. Albertus J. Cone, 406th Infantry, Commanding, Signed an authorization Form for a Ruger Pistol to be sent home to the States for Haywood E. Waters.  My question is, if Haywood E. Waters was with the 358th and the 358th moved on to the Phillipines which is where they supposedly went after Germany surrendered, then how did a Lt. Authorize the War Treasure from the 406th Infantry when the Offical Command Seal is the "European Theater"...  It should have been an Asian Campaign because the docuement was signed, 16 November 1945, about 6 months after the 358th would have left for the Philipines.   So I'm kinda leaning toward a new theory that Haywood E. Waters, got into trouble, was sentenced to "X" amount of time in local Army jail, wasn't bad enough to cost him his Honorable Discharge but bad enough he lost time and To get a FULL HONARABLE DISCHARGE, he had to make it up.  I'm thinking he must have stayed behind in Germany to finish whatever project was going on.  

Another reason I have is that HAYWOOD E. WATERS'  MOS shows:  Squad-Leader  LMG 604....   The actual "358th Engineers should have never seen combat and were called, as you also stated above, the "358th General Sevices Engineers".  They stayed mainly Miles behind the front line and operated Heavy Machinery.  I would not think there would be a need for a MOS 604 LMG Squad Leader.  That would be more of a "Combat Engineer" position....

After both Jane and I couldn't figure out why the Lineage would state the 358th became the 631st, I contacted the Department of the Army, Historian for Corp Engineer Units.  All they could find was a Certificate hanging on their walls and they took a picture and sent it to me.  Bascially, all it says is exactly what is stated in the lineage online.   (SEE ATTACHED 2 NEW PICTURES)

After receiving that, I felt that maybe I'm right about him staying behind in Germany but what I'm also thinking is that HAYWOOD E. WATERS may have been with another Unit altogether!  I have read that sometimes a Soldier is transferred to another unit so he can ship back home.  If that is true, it is very possible that since his unit moved on, he may have been transferred to an inactive arm of a Unit to finish his time in Germany and receive his Honorable Discharge.  I may not be stating that correctly, but the reasoning is there....  

And last, but certainly not least.......  and I hate to admit it...  I thought I was pretty good at digging up info.....  "I THREW IN THE WHITE TOWEL" !!!!!!!!!   I told Earl, you wanna know about your Dad????  I can still guide you but this one is a REAL MYSTERY!!!!!!!   And you are gonna have to bring your wallet out!!!  hahahahahahaha.....

I explained all that I had researched, told him my theory and told him I was out of ideas...   He agreed and we hired Geoff at GOLDEN ARROW RESEARCH.  Geoff has pulled some MRs for me before AND has done work for Jane Kepp as well...    He has had the order since August 15th.  Haven't heard from him yet but Earl opted to get the FULL PACKAGE with Geoff and Geoff told me it could take up to 6 weeks to complete.  

Once Geoff has completed the research, I'll come back and post the findings here so at least we will know, "WAS THERE TRULY A 358th???"

Thanks for you work and time....   I really appreciate that and hope to have an answer to share soon.

 

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BTW, loved how you addressed me in the above post. :-)

That was quite a reply and I can see why you are baffled. One of the problems seems to be that the images above refer to a company, but the 358th you are interested in, was an engineer regiment. Ah, the Army is sometimes a very confusing body. This is certainly not the first time that I've come across this problem, for I've seen situations where someone comes to me for assistance and I have to tell them that they have the WRONG unit. 

I have worked with the 631st Engineers and some of their veterans, and they indeed did go to the Philippines.And as it states above, they were redesignated the 358th Engineer COMPANY a couple of years after the war. So this is NOT the unit you want to explore.

So let's get back to the 358th Engineer Regiment, who only served in Europe and ended their stint in Germany and returned home. Now it makes perfect sense that he had a Luger shipped home for him. It all comes together. 

Also it was not unusual for a soldier to remain in Europe until fall of 1945, because many of the men (sometimes selected battalions or companies from units), stayed behind to help to help with reconstruction. For instance, my dad was with the 540th and his battalion (the 2833rd) didn't come home until November of 1945. They were the occupational army.

More in a minute...

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Patrick:

So your friend that is doing further research for you, needs to tell NARA in Maryland (they have all the declassified records for units) that he needs the records for the 358th General Service Regiment in Europe, NOT the 631st who later became the 358th Company, two years later. No relation here.

And yes, sometimes soldiers were NOT sent home with their original unit. Not unusual. For instance, maybe the 1st battalion shipped home, while the 2nd battalion stayed in occupied territory. :drinkin:


 

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Please note that he would have been trained in the states on rifle, machine gun etc., and acquired specialties. I do not find any inconsistencies with this and even though they were mostly behind the scenes and a general service regiment, they still needed to function in combat if and when needed.

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Ms. M1,  (You like that huh) ;)

I agree, the "Regiment" vs "Company" is the confusing part. His Discharge papers further your statement as it says:  "358 Engineers, Company C".....  so I agree with you.  But I still couldn't find very much at all out there.  

Earl, btw, Is "Haywood E. Waters, Jr." so it's his dad we are looking for.  Earl has told me of a few story's his Dad left behind and he has his discharge and some pictures, etc.  So I know there is something out there.  Just a matter of turning over the right rock.  Geoff with Golden Arrow Research will hopefully turn over a big rock and solve some of this.  Jane is waiting to hear too.  Seems strange that even the Corp engineer historian couldn't come up with anything and I sent him "all" the papers. 

But as you also stated.... "ahhh, the Army"... hahahaha  I think they aren't even sure what they did sometimes... 

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Hey, they don't call me super sleuth for nothing!  :lol: I've found info for peeps that no one else had discovered and put many veterans back together who hadn't seen each other for eons. In fact (and it ain't no lie), the army corps of engineer's office of history in VA, often refers peeps to me now for many of the units. I feel pretty honored. All in a day's work. So many people helped me in the beginning of my journey and so now it's my turn to return the favors. 

Great photo, btw. 

 

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Hello everyone! I came across this discussion recently and thought I would toss in a few cents worth on the 358th Engineer General Services Regiment. My Father was in Company A of the 358th during WW2.  I have been trying to piece together information on the unit as well. One of the difficulties was that they seemed to be spread out over an area and different detachments worked on different projects. They moved a lot trying to keep up with the advances of the supply lines through France and Dad was not sure about what towns or places they had all been. He liked to remind me that it wasn't a "tour" where they told you exactly what little town you were near all the time. The places he was very sure about was Antwerp. His citation from the City of Antwerp hung on the wall in our hallway the whole time I was growing up. It was the only item from the war that dad displayed. (He also cussed Werner Von Braun every time he saw him on television during the "space race" too!)

Dad took pictures while he was in Europe so I have some of them that I would share as well. I would also appreciate any information.

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UPDATE TO THE "MYSTERY OF THE 358TH ENGINEERS"  10/29/2017

Well, finally got to the bottom of the mystery and as promised, I'm reporting the findings to close the question. 

It was as many had suspected...  HAYWOOD WATERS did not transfer to the 358th Engineers until November 1945.  The sole purpose of that transfer was to try and speed up the process so he could get back the States.   

Haywood Waters was an infantry soldier in the 99th ID, 395th IR, 1st Btn,  Co. "C"... aka Known as "The Battle Babies"!!! Look it up on Google.  They have an interesting beginning.  

I apologize to everyone that tried to help solve this mystery but it was all we had to go on and I do appreciate everyone's help very much. Unfortunately, Haywood Waters' service records did indeed burn in the Fire of 73 but Geoff was able to locate the real Regiment Haywood was with and produced 205 pages of morning reports.  Some had Haywood Waters listed and others were pertaining to the Company unit itself and what it was doing.  

Geoff did a fantastic job and that's the 2nd time he has come through for me on things I couldn't unravel on my own. 

If you ever need a research professional, give Geoff a shot at helping you.  His website is:  GoldenArrow

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I'm sorry everybody....   that post from 10/29 apparently did not "post" after all....  when I saw the new comment today, I clicked the link and started to reply.  When I did, I found my post from 10/29 still sitting there....  sorry....

 

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@ Eric

I need to get off this "smart phone" and post only from my computer.  Obviously, I am not as smart as my phone.

I found very little on the 358th when I was searching for them but what little was found indicated they stayed up to 2-3 miles behind the line.  

What do you have that shows your Dad was with the 358th?  In my Brother in Laws case, be merely transferred to the 358th in November of 45 just to get back home faster.  

Are you going solely by his discharge papers? 

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Pthompson38, 

I apologize for causing confusion about the different units mentioned in this discussion. While this site is clearly concerned with the combat engineers, some of the links posted above by "Walt's Daughter" point to information about the 358th Engineer General Services Regiment. It is not a unit of the combat engineers. I am not sure which link you are referring to in your post above. I did not mention nor reference the combat engineers anywhere in my post. The photograph I included with my post is not linked from another source. It is a lower resolution scan (to keep the size down) from the original in my files. It was taken by my father of members of Company A of the 358th Engineer General Services Regiment while they were in England prior to D-Day engaged in building airfield infrastructure for the 8th Bomber Command. (I have their names and even the name of their dog! Check the lower right hand corner.)

I read the following posted above...

On 9/10/2017 at 7:52 AM, Walt's Daughter said:

your friend that is doing further research for you, needs to tell NARA in Maryland (they have all the declassified records for units) that he needs the records for the 358th General Service Regiment in Europe,

My father was in Company A of the 358th Engineer General Services Regiment in Europe. Not the combat engineers. I was just wondering if anyone had information on the 358th Engineer General Services Regiment that could enhance the history that I already have compiled from my father's photos and recollections and the records of the unit found in United States Army in World War II: The Technical Services, The Corps of Engineers: The War Against Germany by Alfred M. Beck, Abe Bortz, Charles W. Lynch, Lida Mayo, and Ralph F. Weld 1985 and the Unit History of the 1st Battalion 358th Engineer General Services Regiment  by C. Hanburger Lt. Colonel, C. E. Commanding - 24 May 1945 and correspondence and reports of the company clerk S/Sgt. Russel F. Wampler during the movements of the 358th Engineer General Services Regiment from Antwerp into Germany in 1945.

A google search led me to this site, perhaps this was the wrong place to seek information on a unit that is not the main concern of the site. I apologize again for confusing the issue.

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While the name of the site is VI Corps Combat Engineers (in honor of my father), nowhere on this forum (or main site) does it indicate that this is strictly for combat engineers. Anyone perusing my site will see dedication to and information regarding any type of engineer from WWII. Not only that, but we also keep data on units with ties to the engineers. It's all one big happy family. :-)

It is interesting to note my data sheet on types of engineers from WWII.  ;)

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