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Hello everyone,

I just posted on the other string forum about my background but wanted to introduce myself here as well. My grandfather was Anton "Tony" Pagoria from La Salle, IL and was a member of C Company of the 292nd. Pete - very likely your uncle and my grandfather knew each other since both were in the same company and both Italians from Illinois.

His information was drafted as a plumber, but was placed in the 669th Engineer Topographical Corps, 1149th Combat Group. The 669th was a transportation corps unit that included railroad training. This was a natural fit for him since his occupation prior to the war was a Railway Section Hand. He trained at Camp Clairborne, Lousiana. He was the last of his italian brothers to be enlist/be drafted. He was the 6th of his family to be in WWII and the first 6 star family in La Salle, IL. He also had 6 cousins in the war and one brother and one sister work at the LST shipyard in Seneca, IL. Amazingly only 1 cousin and 1 brother wounded and all returned to the US.

After the V-E Day he re-upped and was at a POW camp for Germans. I have group photos I will post once I find them in storage. Here is a photo that I will share to start.

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Kenneth,

 

Wonderful to see you here, my friend! I am so happy I ran across you elsewhere and that you were able to join our small, but growing community. I look forward to many fruitful posts and to the opportunity to exchange information here in this thread. Let's all continue to seek out others who may have interest in this unit and these great men and any and all information that can be found so that the memories of their patriotic service will not fall into the abyss of history.

 

Have a great one, Kenneth, and accept this hearty welcome!

 

Gary

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After looking at information, I really don't know what company my grandfather was a part of I don't really see it listed in any of his information that I have. As for the photo you have Gary. I have that same photo....Could it not be by company but by Combat Group, since there was the 1149th and 1141st that made up the 292nd. One of my other family members has the photo and it is not damaged attempting to get it scanned so I can provide it.

 

Not sure if any of you have ever seen this but I am attaching it so you can review.

US 9th Army Station and Assignment List.pdf

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It would not be by Combat Group as that is the same as the regiment. Combat Group was simply the "new name" that the army gave to regiments after 44/early 45.

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Hello everyone,

I just posted on the other string forum about my background but wanted to introduce myself here as well. My grandfather was Anton "Tony" Pagoria from La Salle, IL and was a member of C Company of the 292nd. Pete - very likely your uncle and my grandfather knew each other since both were in the same company and both Italians from Illinois.

His information was drafted as a plumber, but was placed in the 669th Engineer Topographical Corps, 1149th Combat Group. The 669th was a transportation corps unit that included railroad training. This was a natural fit for him since his occupation prior to the war was a Railway Section Hand. He trained at Camp Clairborne, Lousiana. He was the last of his italian brothers to be enlist/be drafted. He was the 6th of his family to be in WWII and the first 6 star family in La Salle, IL. He also had 6 cousins in the war and one brother and one sister work at the LST shipyard in Seneca, IL. Amazingly only 1 cousin and 1 brother wounded and all returned to the US.

After the V-E Day he re-upped and was at a POW camp for Germans. I have group photos I will post once I find them in storage. Here is a photo that I will share to start.

attachicon.gif669th Fall Dance.jpg

 

 

Warmest welcome to the forum, we are glad to have you with us! Our 292nd community is growing here and we look forward to what you might have to share.

 

Randy

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After looking at information, I really don't know what company my grandfather was a part of I don't really see it listed in any of his information that I have. As for the photo you have Gary. I have that same photo....Could it not be by company but by Combat Group, since there was the 1149th and 1141st that made up the 292nd. One of my other family members has the photo and it is not damaged attempting to get it scanned so I can provide it.

 

Not sure if any of you have ever seen this but I am attaching it so you can review.

 

Thanks, Kenneth, for the offering up this tidbit! I look forward to seeing a scan of the photo that you have. If it is indeed the same one as I posted (hopefully, without the damage) then the mystery clearly is highlighted... what group is this a picture of? Incidentally, is your grandfather in the photo you spoke of? That would mean both of our grandfathers were in this picture! Cool, but we still need to try to figure out what group it is a picture of.

 

I want to reiterate how happy we are that you have joined our "merry band"! :)

 

Gary

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He is indeed in the photo he is in the second row on the 2nd to the far left. This is a photo but trying to get it scanned.

Kenneth,

 

Cool!! it is indeed the same as what I have (sans burn hole). From their vantage point looking toward us, my grandfather is in the back row, 4th from the right. This is fantastic!!! I assume this photo was taken at Camp Butner. Did I read right that maybe you weren't sure what company your grandfather was in? My grandfather was in A company for most of the training period from Feb-Oct 1944. However, if my recollections are correct from letters he wrote home, right before they left Butner he was transferred to H&S company and then subsequently transferred back to A company in January of 1945 due to the mechanics in that company being out of service. Could this possibly be a photo of H&S company? The consensus was that the photo doesn't have enough men in it to be a full company. Would the Headquarters and Service Company have been smaller then A, B and C companies?

 

Randy,

 

Can you look at one of the prints that you just received of A company and use the previous hi-res image that I posted as reference to see if you can see my grandfather? Remember, he is fourth from the right in the back row (as they look at us) in my photo.

 

We'll get to the bottom of this, gentlemen, I assure you! :)

 

Gary

 

Incidentally, even with the the upper end scanner that I have I had to scan it in three pieces and then digitally reassmble it (time consuming at the resolution I scan things). As I have stated in the past to others, if somewhere down the road you would like me to take a crack at it then it would be my pleasure. I do realize that his is a family heirloom so there would be a natural reluctance to do this especially since you really barely are acquainted with all of us here. Just food for thought, my friend, to try to assist in any way possible. :) G

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I received a copy of A co today from Hampton House . I must say I was very happy with it. My father is 10th from the left in the back roll and what I thought was pretty neat was Randy's grandfather was 5th from the left in the same roll and I could be wrong but I believe Gary's grandfather is in the same roll 4th from the right not real sure. I would like to say a great big Thank You to LIsa for making this possible. And another big THANK YOU to Marion for this site....Ralph

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I received a copy of A co today from Hampton House . I must say I was very happy with it. My father is 10th from the left in the back roll and what I thought was pretty neat was Randy's grandfather was 5th from the left in the same roll and I could be wrong but I believe Gary's grandfather is in the same roll 4th from the right not real sure. I would like to say a great big Thank You to LIsa for making this possible. And another big THANK YOU to Marion for this site....Ralph

Say Randy,

 

Any chance you could take a photo of the portion of the photo that you think my grandfather is in. I am going to order a copy regardless, but if that is indeed him then there are other family members who will want copies, also.

 

Thanks so much in advance, my friend!

 

Gary

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Gary,

 

This is so cool you and Ken have the same photo, are we having fun yet guys? The more I look and think about your photo the more convinced I am that what you have there is a platoon picture. A company of men is usually made up of four platoons at or about forty men each, your pic has the right amount of men. The man standing on the far left is an officer, he would be the platoon leader, the man standing on the far right is a Staff Sergeant, he would be the leader's assistant the platoon sergeant. I'm willing to bet they took individual platoon photos before they took the company as a whole. I have studied the Company A photo I just received a lot this evening. I believe all the soldiers in your photo, also appear in the Company A photo. In some cases the same guys are standing right next to each other or very close together in both photographs. The back drop is identical in both pics, both were taken at the exact same spot at Camp Butner. I believe that I have identified both of your grandfather's in the Company A photograph . I hate to make you wait a bit my friend but it has been a long day for me, I will post close ups tomorrow of who I think your relatives are in the photo, and you guys can confirm or not. If I am correct about your photo being a platoon one, then your grandfather's were not only in the same company but also in the same platoon and who know's, maybe the very same squad. This is all great stuff guys!

 

Randy

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I received a copy of A co today from Hampton House . I must say I was very happy with it. My father is 10th from the left in the back roll and what I thought was pretty neat was Randy's grandfather was 5th from the left in the same roll and I could be wrong but I believe Gary's grandfather is in the same roll 4th from the right not real sure. I would like to say a great big Thank You to LIsa for making this possible. And another big THANK YOU to Marion for this site....Ralph

 

 

 

Hello everyone,

 

My wife called me at work Thursday to say my Company A photos had arrived in the mail. Let me Tell you, I couldn't get home fast enough to check them out. I was well pleased with the quality of these reproductions. You can see good detail and faces are easily recognized. I had picked out my grandfather before I got the photo completely unrolled. There was great interest in this picture for my family and we had ordered five copies. I set about delivering these yesterday, everyone was so thrilled to get one. My dad has been a barber for 55 years now and he was proud to display the picture in his shop, I'm sure it will receive a lot of comments.

 

Ralph called me yesterday afternoon to tell me that he had just got his copy of the photo. We had a good conversation about it and like he said my grandfather and his dad were close together in the back row. As you are looking at the picture he is #5 from the left and Ralph's dad is #10 from the left. We both thought this was pretty neat. Some other observations we made about the photo were that the soldier in the very center of the front row is holding a little dog .I didn't catch it at first glance because the dog's head is turned and his white color blends in with the soldier's uniform. Ralph told me his father has other pictures of this guy, always holding a dog. Another thing we noticed was there are five men inline together in the very center of the group who are dressed in white instead of khaki uniforms. We both don't know what to make of that, another little mystery to ponder. We both feel like there were probably not a lot of copies of this photograph to begin with and probably even less now. We feel extremely lucky to be given the opportunity to have one. My grandfather has been gone since 1972, coming across a new picture of him is a treasure indeed!

 

I wanted to give a big thank you to everyone who made this possible. Lisa Sykes has been very kind to take the time and effort involved so we all could have this piece of history. Hampton House, for a job well done. And last but certainly not least, Marion. Kudos you guys! :clappin2:

 

 

 

Hope everyone has a good day!

 

Randy

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Say Randy,

 

Any chance you could take a photo of the portion of the photo that you think my grandfather is in. I am going to order a copy regardless, but if that is indeed him then there are other family members who will want copies, also.

 

Thanks so much in advance, my friend!

 

Gary

 

 

 

Gary,

 

The gentleman in the center is the one I thought might be a match for your grandfather. What do you think?

 

 

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Say Randy,

 

Any chance you could take a photo of the portion of the photo that you think my grandfather is in. I am going to order a copy regardless, but if that is indeed him then there are other family members who will want copies, also.

 

Thanks so much in advance, my friend!

 

Gary

 

 

 

Gary,

 

The gentleman in the front row center is the one I thought might be a match for your grandfather. What do you think?

 

 

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Gary,

 

The gentleman in the center is the one I thought might be a match for your grandfather. What do you think?

 

 

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Randy,

 

That is indeed my grandfather, Randall Gates! Wow. how exciting! We are finalizing how many copies the family wants and will be placing an order Monday morning.

 

Thanks to Lisa for this unexpected opportunity to obtain such a treasure and to Marion for empowering us all to create our small, but growing 292nd community. This is truly a gift that will be cherished by our family forever!

 

I am in your debt, ladies! :)

 

Gary

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Wow Gary that is super! I am so glad that is him. His location in the picture is the seventh soldier counting from the left side in the front row This is the same section of the group my grandfather and Ralph's dad are in. I must say I'm a bit confused about which soldier is Ken's grandfather in his photo. If he could clarify, I would be glad to try and find his grandfather in the Company A picture as well. I'm sure he will be in there, like I said in my previous post, I'm finding all the soldiers in his photo to be in the Company A pic as well. Have a good one.

 

Randy

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Randy,

 

Thank you so much for all you did here and all you and others have done to push forward the knowledge that we all seek. After family consultations it looks like I will be ordering seven copies on Monday. Just another huge shout out to Lisa Sykes and Marion Chard for making this all possible. We all owe you two a lot for this opportunity. :)

 

Gary

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This is very exciting! Thanks to everyone on this forum for all of their contributions! I believe I will also be trying to obtain a Company A photo. That is very likely a platoon photo now that you mention it. I new it was to small for a company or regiment. Thanks to Lisa and Marion for all your help! I do know that the 292nd troop patterns have been hard to follow. Considering the issue with IX army was placed under the 12th army then Monte's 21st Army Group and the 1st Army during the Bulge.

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This is very exciting! Thanks to everyone on this forum for all of their contributions! I believe I will also be trying to obtain a Company A photo. That is very likely a platoon photo now that you mention it. I new it was to small for a company or regiment. Thanks to Lisa and Marion for all your help! I do know that the 292nd troop patterns have been hard to follow. Considering the issue with IX army was placed under the 12th army then Monte's 21st Army Group and the 1st Army during the Bulge.

I'm just so happy that we found you and you found us, Ken! Together, we can all do these men and the unit they served in proud and honor them by documenting their sacrifice for posterity! Onward and upward, my friends, onward and upward :)

 

Gary

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I have had a few beers tonight and all I can say is AMEN and what an absolute pleasure it is to have crossed paths with each one of you. We are truly blessed!

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My grandfather in the photo is in the 2nd row on the far right, sorry had my right and left confused on first statement. He is standing right next to the staff sergeant.

 

 

Hey Ken,

 

I'll tell ya, looking at a photo of a large group like this you see so many similarities of faces. There are several men in the picture who I thought might be your grandfather, but the gentlemen in the center of this close up I thought to be the best candidate. Got my fingers crossed.

 

Randy

 

 

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I have had a few beers tonight and all I can say is AMEN and what an absolute pleasure it is to have crossed paths with each one of you. We are truly blessed!

We are truly fortunate, Marion, that you created such a place for all of us to meet and befriend!. What a revelation you and this place has been! I bow to your magnificence!

 

Gary

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Hey Ken,

 

I'll tell ya, looking at a photo of a large group like this you see so many similarities of faces. There are several men in the picture who I thought might be your grandfather, but the gentlemen in the center of this close up I thought to be the best candidate. Got my fingers crossed.

 

Randy

 

 

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My fingers are also crossed for you, Ken... and that's on both hands! ;)

 

Gary

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Ken,

 

you mentioned a book on the 9th Army that recently came back in print at the following link:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Conquer-Story-Ninth-Army-1944-1945/dp/1530041368/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1457848631&sr=8-2&keywords=ninth+army

 

Here's a link to the original publication available to view online:

 

http://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015019378531

 

Gary

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