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  1. marydurst

    Camp near Siegberg Germany?

    Oh, Jean, one other thing! I remember seeing a comment about you finding information about one of the prisoners having a .45 on him. My Dad talks about that guy in the recording as well! It is so exciting to have the wonderful people on this forum, all of you, helping to putting this incredible bit of history (history we are losing at such an alarming rate!) together. Also, if I understand correctly and hope, Jean, you can confirm was it your Dad that was with Dad when they took my father's toe off? And, Dad says he calls him "Red" (which was Dad's nickname) so he must have known him pretty well. Also, I can't remember if I mentioned I tried to contact the Stong (Wesley, who's name and address I found in a address book) but had no success. I'm guessing he is no longer with us. Wesley Strong, I believe, was at Waldbrol with Dad. He was shot across the back and had given my father a letter to mail in case in did not survive. I can't remember if I included these links in the forum string before so I'm including it, just in case. Lots of details in them, even more each time I listen to them. I'd love to know about the boy that was shot down in a bomber, Dad says he was "an Italian from Beaver Falls". The moxy Dad talks about him having when being questioned demonstrates, to me, the essense of the men that fought in that war.
  2. marydurst

    Camp near Siegberg Germany?

    Hi Jean, My Dad, Walter Brinegar, A Company, 27th AIB, 9th Armored, was captured on December 23, 1944 just outside of St Vith. He and Sgt Thicke were in the same foxhole when they were captured. He and Sgt Thicke were together for a while (after being walked for over a week, until after New Years according to the recording I have). They were together for awhile but Sgt Thicke was taken to a different POW camp as, we believe, he was not injured. I BELIEVE (not positive) they were seperated at Gerolstein. Gerolstein being the horrible place my father talks about in his recording. My father says in the recording they walked for 5 weeks. I estimate they got to 'The Factory"/Gerolstein maybe about February 5th. Then, they put them on the train, 40 and 8, to Seigburg. He said there was about 3 feet of frozen horse manure they sat on for the week on the train. I want to determine for certain if Gerolstein is where "The factory" he speaks of really is located. Was your father on a train as well? I did contact the 309th on FB and got a reply. I asked if they know of anybody that was part of the liberation is still around. I'd love to talk to them if they are. Talk to you soon! Below is the information I have found on Sgt Thicke - (note it says he was capture 12/22/1944 but my father states they were captured 12/23/1944 in the a.m.) Notice his discharge indicates he was at 12A and then 9B. I Enlistment:: 36106925 THICK DAVID R JR < font size="3" face="Times New Roman"> DETROIT MICHIGAN Born: 1919 36106925 THICK DAVID R JR Staff Sergeant Date of Capture: 22 DEC 44 0A 0A Unit: 0027 Camp: Stalag 12A to 9B Limburg An Der Lahn Hessen-Nassau, Prussia
  3. marydurst

    Camp near Siegberg Germany?

    Hi Jean, I didn't see this mentioned but I have to ask, was your father routed through Gerolstein? I believe that is the blown out factory my father was held, the place he said that was so filthy and we there were 1200 men held there, I believe it was near a rail station, that was how they were moving the men out by box car.
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    Camp near Siegberg Germany?

    I am so thankful for this forum! For Jean and Christoph, for the men that are still with us to tell what they remember! I am so Thankful! I have taken the last couple hours to scan the chats and saw, Jean, where your father was the one who told my Dad to watch his language! I can't believe we have been able to reach across time and space to get to this point where their children are communicating! It is truly amazing! Christoph, I am planning on coming to Germany April 2015, I want to be there for the 70th anniversary of my father's liberation. I so hope and pray you will be there and I can meet you and thank you in person for your help! Jean, I am speechless at what you have been able to find! I can't wait to hear more, hear more details, as putting those pieces together is what I have hoped for years! I have talked to many people along this path,including the childlren of the man my father was captured with (Sgt Thicke and he were in the same foxhole when they were captured). I have other information if you are interested. I'm so thankful! Thank you all! Just incredible!
  5. marydurst

    Camp near Siegberg Germany?

    Hi All, Sorry it has been so long since I was on line! Jean, I did try to contact all four of the names I found, including Gibbs, but had no success. It is great the information you and Christoph have added in the last several month! I'm thrilled! Ii want to plan a trip to Germany for April 2015 (the 70th anniversary of my father's liberation) and it sounds like you have found additional details! I can't wait to hear from you! I'm fascinated by the information you share above regarding the 72 prisoners and only 2 able to walk... and that you found information regarding Waldbrol and that you believe that is from where you believe my father was liberated! I'm so excited, grateful, and some many other emotions! This forum thread is so lengthy I fear I've missed some details and insight. All I can say now is thank you and I can't wait to hear from you!
  6. marydurst

    Camp near Siegberg Germany?

    Hi All, This is incredible work you have been doing! I have to read and reread to make sure I'm getting all the information! Thank you! To answer a couple questions I see posed of me - Regarding what camp - Hoffnungsthal or Siegburg - I believe where my father was held – I believe it was hoffnungsthal. I do have to say my memory of my father talking about where he was held only is Seigburg, However, are much searching and many efforts of trying to get the military to tell me where he was held, I was told by the NARA ([Archives2reference@nara.gov] ) was camp 6G. They indicated Stalag 6G was near Bonn, which Rosrath is near Bonn, So, I would have to go by the description my father provided in the interview/transcript of the camp and as Christoph indicated, it does fit the description. Now, with all that said and going to the first camp he talks about being “a filthy place, your bed and your bathroom”… I believe it was Gerolstein. Christoph, any thoughts on that? I’ve attached what I believe is his path as a POW/Slave labor. Christoph, I would love to visit them with you and will some time in the not so distant future. Your help has been so wonderful, I can't thank you enough. Jean, I do have the timeline for my father and where he entered Europe – He arrived via Normandy on August 26th, 1944. I have company this week but will be back on this forum next week to find out more! I have spend years searching and talking to veterans and their surviving families, visiting Germany and Normandy to find out more information. I have gathered so many documents and I feel I need to share what I have found so others searching can be helped like you and this website has helped me! Thank you!
  7. marydurst

    Camp near Siegberg Germany?

    Hi Jean, The information I received is below (I have a friend from Germany who corresponded and translated for me) From: Wollenhaupt, Jeanette Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 12:31 PM To: Durst, Mary C. Subject: Zwangsarbeit in Siegburg - Anfrage He made a mistake. Sprengmittelproduktionen, bei der Zwangsarbeiter und möglicherweise auch Kriegsgefangene eingesetzt waren, hat nur in Troisdorf bei der Firma Dynamit Nobel statt gefunden Slaves and possible POW were used only in Troisdorf by “Dynamit Nobel”. In Siegburg.it happened during WW2. Jeanette From: Peter Zenker [mailto:dr.zenker@gmx.de] Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 2:00 AM To: Wollenhaupt, Jeanette Subject: AW: Zwangsarbeit in Siegburg - Anfrage Sehr geehrte Frau Wollenhaupt, da ich meinen Computersystem auf Windows 7 umgestellt habe und dabei alle Programme neu installieren musste, kann ich auf meine Mail, die ich Ihnen sandte, nicht mehr zugreifen. In der Angelegenheit habe ich noch einmal mit dem Archiv in Siegburg gesprochen. Und ich stellte fest, dass mir in meiner Antwort an Sie, ein Fehler unterlaufen ist. Die Sprengmittelproduktionen, bei der Zwangsarbeiter und möglicherweise auch Kriegsgefangene eingesetzt waren, hat nur in Troisdorf bei der Firma Dynamit Nobel statt gefunden. Fälschlicherweise erwähnte ich auch die Munitionsfabrik in Siegburg. Diese produzierte jedoch nur in der Zeit des Ersten Weltkrieges. Mit freundlichem Gruß Dr. Peter Zenker Dr. Peter Zenker Tel. und Fax: +49(0)2241/95 96 86 Alte Poststraße 4 e-mail : dr.zenker@gmx.de 53721 Siegburg web : www.peter-zenker.de Von: Wollenhaupt, Jeanette Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 18:53 An: dr.zenker@gmx.de Cc: Durst, Mary C. Betreff: [?? Probable Spam] Zwangsarbeit in Siegburg - Anfrage Hallo Dr. Zenker: Ich moechte gerne wissen, ob Ihr Dokument, Zwangsarbeit in Siegburg, auch in englischer Sprache erhaeltlich ist. Meine Bekannte in den Vereinigten Staaten benoetigt eine Uebersetzung, um die Suche nach ihrem Vater, ein amerikanischer Kriegsgefangener, fortzufuehren. Vielen Dank fuer Ihre Muehe! Mit freundlichem Gruss, Jeanette Wollenhaupt From: Durst, Mary C. Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:18 AM To: Wollenhaupt, Jeanette Subject: FW: Allied POW held at Neugengamme or satellite camp Hi Jeanette, I need your help…. As you know I’m researching my father’s POW experience and Dr. Moller has provided links below… the problem is the historian that researched the history of slave labour of Siegburg document is all in German! Do you know of any place on the web that will translate or do you see any place that says I can contact the author, Dr. Zinker, for a translation into English? Siegburg http://www.peter-zenker.de/documents/Zwangsarbeit_SU_Langfassung.pdf
  8. marydurst

    Camp near Siegberg Germany?

    This is incredible information! More than I was ever able to get from the NARA or from the military! Thank you all so very, very much. This is so very important to me to find his camp. I am travelling to Germany this summer so I hope to find more information in that trip. I did, however, find a note pad of my father's with the names of 4 men, 2 names I recognize - Wesley Strong (from Massachusetts) who was in the labor camp with him and gave him a letter to his famly as he didn't think he was going to make it out. He was shot across the back and had a terrible infection from it. But, he did make it but has sinced passed. Also, the other name I recognize is Dave Thick of Kansas who I know was in the fox hole with my father when they were captured on December 23, 1944. He went to a different camp as I believe he did not need medical attention but my father did. I did speak to SGT. Thick's children but they said their father never spoke of it, he had told his father-in-law about it when he first returned and would never speak about his experience after that one time. The other two names I do not recognize are Austin Connon (spelling could be off) of Obrian, Florida and Mr. Dan Gibbs of Fort Worth, Texas. Jean, I would be happy to talk to you about what I can remember. However, in a couple weeks I'm going to visit my oldest cousin (she is 31 years older than I am) and I'm hoping to learn her memories of anything my father may have said when he returned. If I do get more information I will happily share it. Again, thank you all so much for helping. Christoph, if you learn any more from the Seigberg historical association I would love to here it. I have been told the NAZI's were excellent record keepers and I have to believe they have my father's name somewhere on some document indicating when and where he was, I just have to find it. I want to take my children and grandchildren on a pilgrimage to those places, I want them to know the strength he had and what he endured, what strength it took for us to be here. Thank you so much!
  9. marydurst

    Camp near Siegberg Germany?

    Hi all! I am hoping you can tell me about any labor camps you liberated that contained American GI's held as POWs. The attached document describes the camps where my father was held but I am unable to confirm where he was liberated from and by whom. My father didn't talk much about his captivity. I was born 10 years after my father was liberated, so the only reason I am here is because of my father's will to survive. My Dad, Walter Blair Brinegar, was in A Company of the 27th AIB/9th Armored Division. I have been researching his captivity in the hope of finding out where he was liberated from. I have been in contact with some WWII historians in Germany that suggested he may have been held in Ammunition Factory in Siegburg, or in the bordering town of Troisdorf. I believe your corp liberated that area on or around April 8, 1945 (that is the day my father said he was liberated). My Dad passed 30 years ago, when I was much younger and didn't realize the significance of his experience. Now, that I am older and wiser, I want to commerate his life and his will to survive by finding the places where he was held and taking my children and grandchildren to those places. I want to make sure they never forget why they are here and to also make sure they tell their children and grandchildren. If you have any information you believe may be relevant, please contact me. Thank you in advance for any assistance you provide. This is a quest and labor of love andhonor for my Dad.
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